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From: rstanley@husc.harvard.edu (Ryan Stanley) >Eric Bergerud <rickt@cris.com> wrote: >It is self evident that many in the American and British public had guilt >pangs about strategic bombing soon after World War II. Well, I thought even stating the bleeding obvious would be better than taking another hack at Alperovitz. Mr. Bergerud would apparently prefer to keep hacking. Bill McAllister asked what "the A-bomb debate is REALLY about". Noticing he didn't say "the Alperovitz debate", and the open-ended nature of his query, I welcomed his post as an invitation to broaden the discussion beyond the narrow confines of the specific Alperovitz thesis (which has, I think, been well and truly demolished), and to acknowledge that for most of the American public, there are quite different issues at stake in discussions of the atomic bombs -- one of which, I suggested, is how to remember World War II. I was, in short, trying to change the subject. I now count several attempts by various H-DIPLO members to pose questions about the atomic bomb decisions which do NOT take the Alperovitz thesis as their starting point. On each occasion, however, a Mr. Bergerud or a Mr. Villa has twisted the question back into another 'thrash Alperovitz' session. Critics have, with rare exceptions, only developed their arguments as far as necessary to refute Alperovitz. Some time ago, Mr. Villa did offer the sketch of an alternate interpretation, based on public opinion; when I asked him to flesh it out more fully, however, he simply went back to bashing Alperovitz. At the risk of sounding post-modernist, I'd submit that there's an agenda at work here. Why keep flogging Alperovitz? (I mean that in both senses of the verb.) Two of his own supporters admit that only a minute fraction of US historians accept his thesis, and that high school textbooks generally don't question the bomb decisions. We have heard several testimonials from list members to the effect that Alperovitz isn't taught at their schools, and NONE to the contrary. We know which side thoroughly vanquished the other in the 1995 debate surrounding the Enola Gay exhibit (which, as proposed, would have presented a watered-down hodgepodge of critical viewpoints). Various revisionist ideas are undoubtedly 'out there', exercising some degree of influence over the public, showing up in diluted form in the occasional ABC special, but by no means are they dominant. And Gar Alperovitz is about as far from a household name as can be imagined. Why, then, the persistent, vastly inflated picture of a "Chairman" Alperovitz (Villa's image), whose views "dominate" American life (Bergerud's word), and form the "dominant interpretation" (Ehrman's words) in undergraduate classes through the influence of "left-wing baby boomer historian[s]" (Kaiser's phrase)? Why is it that so many seemingly well-adjusted, well-established professional scholars act so terribly threatened by Alperovitz? Richard Hofstadter could write a book about them: 'The Paranoid Style of American Historians.' Mr. Kaiser's phrase provides a hint, and Mr. Bergerud's comments substantial confirmation, that Alperovitz is just a stand-in for something much bigger: >The type of questions posed [after World War II] were >very different than those raised by Alperovitz. Some believed the Bomb had >been a tragic mistake. Others believed it to be a tragic necessity. ... >Alperovitz, however, would have us believe that the US intentionally >prolonged WWII to destroy two helpless cities for no other reason than to >terrify Stalin. This was not at all the argument made by those after WWII >who doubted the necessity or wisdom of Hiroshima. Unfortunately the Vietnam >War seemed to validate the radical critique of American society ... >Alperovitz's original book was just one of many coming out in the mid-60's that >questioned the basic value of the United States as a nation. However, in the >pre-Vietnam years challenges to the essentially benign nature of American >history were on the political fringe. Now, they dominate. It is inaccurate to assert that in the 1960s, dismayed by Vietnam, Alperovitz invented the notion that the A-bombs were meant as a signal to the Russians. This idea in fact had a following well before Alperovitz came along. To cite one instance: in 1958, a writer in the _National Review_ argued that "the tens of thousands of Japanese who were roasted at Hiroshima and Nagasaki were sacrificed not to end the war or save American and Japanese lives but to strengthen American diplomacy vis-a-vis Russia." This is before the antiwar movement. This is before much of anybody in America had even heard of Vietnam. This is not even a left-wing journal. It is in fact entirely unconnected with that "radical critique of American society" inspired by Vietnam that Mr. Bergerud finds so distressing. I won't bother to cite other examples; interested readers may find them in issue #2 of the 1995 _Journal of American-East Asian Relations_, in which two of Alperovitz's disciples point out that their mentor's argument, which Bergerud claims first appeared as a product of Vietnam-era disillusionment, had been around for some time before that. The point is that even before Vietnam Americans asked the hard -- and to Bergerud, anti-American -- questions about decision-makers' motivations that Alperovitz later asked (and failed to answer adequately, in my opinion). Ideas later identified with left-wing revisionism were in fact voiced in the mainstream -- even conservative journals -- before anybody had heard of Alperovitz. This might seem a minor point. But a neat distinction between pre- and post-Vietnam critiques of the bomb decisions is central to Bergerud's argument, because denouncing Alperovitz is really about denouncing the excesses of the 1960s. That, I would submit to Mr. McAllister, is the really "essential subtext" of the A-bomb debate, at least as it has proceeded on this list. I wish I had a nickel for every time a reasoned, convincing critique of Alperovitz spun off into a diatribe against radicals, revisionists, baby boomers or post-modernists. Pre-Vietnam comment, in Bergerud's scheme, was concerned with thoughtful contemplation of the varieties of tragedy, and retrospective assessments of the bombs' necessity, effectiveness, and ethics. Everything after the mid-'60s was explicitly antipatriotic, politically motivated and biased. Even if it means distorting the pedigree of his ideas, Alperovitz's thesis must be as tightly identified with late-'60s radicalism as possible, in order that its author may serve as whipping-boy for the entire decade. He makes an easy whipping-boy because his ideas can be plausibly (if falsely) characterized as Vietnam-era innovations, merely the products of antiwar sympathies; because his subject touches a very sensitive patriotic nerve; and because, in the end, his evidence isn't strong enough to allow him to fight back effectively. Now I realize that trashing the sixties is fashionable and fun. I do it myself sometimes. But if you're going to do it, pick a more worthy target than Gar Alperovitz. He's a straw man. His own supporters admit that nobody reads him or agrees with him. Personally, I feel sorry for the guy. He's reworking a thesis that hasn't made much of a dent. But I have no sympathy for his critics who insist on portraying themselves as the valiant underdogs, the besieged, the rebels against a dominant Alperovitzian hegemony. Their posture of victimhood is spurious, duplicitous and unbecoming to established scholars who are, in fact, in firm possession of the high ground on this question and know it. They may find it satisfying to imagine themselves refighting the battles of the 1960s, but it is preventing them (and others on this list) from asking more pertinent questions about an important historical problem. Personally, I'm now sick of the subject, but just because we've pulverized one particular thesis doesn't mean we've come anywhere close to addressing the important questions about the decisions surrounding the use of the atomic bombs. 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