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I never wanted to get caught up in this conversation (I'm just a lowly technician, not a teacher), but I have to point out that no where in S.J.'s essay was it said that plagiarism is acceptable in any way. What was said was that students NEED to copy others' work, just give them credit for it. Also, it was stated that by pressing the issue of citing sources, plagiarism becomes a non-issue for most students. Some students will plagiarize regardless of the situation for various reasons. There was no contradiction there. Dave Bruce Jones <brucewj@amaonline.com> * * > From: "S. J. Peterson" <sjp@eee.org> * > (often by teaching students inearly grades to "put it in your * own words," * > which while well intentioned, is just flat out * > WRONG). * * Explain please! * * > The basic definition of plagiarism is "to take another's work and call * > it your own." It DOES NOT matter whether you re-word it; it still * > belongs to someone else, and if not cited, the writer is guilty of * > plagiarism. * * Agree! * * > The more they borrow to support their own opinions and the * better they cite what they've * > borrowed to back up those assertions, the better their grade. * * > * Teach students that they SHOULD borrow from other sources; * * agree * * > * Teach them how to cite their sources; * * agree * * > * Prove to them, by your lauding of those who borrow and cite * > correctly, that you aren't like the other teachers they've had who * > actually ENCOURAGED plagiarism by setting unrealistic expectations * > and then "got off" (as the kids see it) by taking the assignment as * > an opportunity to exercise their God-given duty to find students * > who plagiarize and "teach them a thing or two." * * Why are you so cynical???? * * > "USE IT, AND CITE IT." Two negative environments, and one positive one. * > . . . It's a no-brainer from where I sit. * * Agree * * > We (i.e., ALL teachers, not just those who teach English) have a duty to * > teach kids the correct ways of doing things rather than setting them up * > for failure by not doing OUR best for them. To do any less means WE * > have failed them, not they, us. * * Agree * * I see your overall argument as a contradiction in terms and ideologies. * On the one hand you say steal and on the other you say don't. Essentially * you say it is all right to steal your employers money as long as you work * for it. Plagiarism is stealing you can not use it in a positive light. * Legitimate use of references and development of ideas and theories based * on the thoughts of other experts in the field -- as long as it is cited -- * is NOT Plagiarism. Joe Blow saying E=MC squared and calling it his own IS * Plagiarism. Joe Blow saying E=MC squared (Einstein, 19xx) is NOT * Plagiarism. * * According to your argument I should have some form of reference cited for * all that I have said here because NO ONE person is capable of original * thought. * * Bruce Jones * ----------------------------------------- David S. Forcey Network Administrator Cameron S.D. Cameron, WI dforcey@cameron.k12.wi.us ----------------------------------------- EDTECH has changed addresses. The new list address is EDTECH@H-NET.MSU.EDU. All subscription commands should be sent to LISTSERV@H-NET.MSU.EDU.
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