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Christian: I would agree that many educators are slow to embrace the implications of the so-called information age. But even so, there are still two glaring problems with this idea that popular media on the open Internet are the only places that change can happen. 1) My responsibilities include supporting online learning for students from 2nd to 12th grade. Over that range of ages, the learning goals, and the abilities of the student to comfortably and safely navigate resources, will change radically. In education, the process of teaching students is the process of providing a gradual transition from tightly controlled learning experiences to increasingly more realistic ones, as a student's abilities and sophistication increase. As a parent, I would not grant my 7 year old unmonitored and unfettered access to open Internet tools at home, and I certainly would not support a teacher doing the same. So the discussion isn't "either/or," it's "when." In the face of that alone, I won't be taking down my Moodle site any time soon. 2) I would whole-heartedly agree that, for many instructional goals, student-centered learning, and an attempt to remove the proprietary nature of information, are important parts of an effective learning environment. But, believe it or not, such an approach can be (and often is!) implemented in a traditional face-to-face classroom. What we're now discussing is pedagogy, and young people using Facebook did not invent this particular slant on it. It is based on the works of educational theorists who didn't have so much as an LED calculator, much less a smart phone. That is not to imply that the interactive Internet doesn't have a LOT to say about that process. Again, Facebook has huge IMPLICATIONS for pedagogy. But that does not, in itself, make it a school, nor does it make other environments that also reflect the same pegagogy (without being wildly popular) ineffective. I look forward to your discussion of process. Jeff Jeffrey L. Jones, District Technology Resource Teacher Coordinator, Virtual Classrooms and Communications, Fayette County Schools Fayette's iSchool - http://ischool.fcps.net/ The Point, a Fayette County Blogspot - https://edtech.fcps.net/blog/ Fayette Co. Intranet on SharePoint: http://sharepoint.fcps.net 701 East Main Street Lexington, KY 40502 (859)381-4124 firstname.lastname@example.org On Mon, 26 Apr 2010, Christian Rogers wrote: > Jeffrey, > > Thank you for your carefully crafted response to my intentionally > inflammatory comments. I had purposed them this way to see the > character and integrity of the members of this forum. Thus far it has > proven well. Apologies for entering your discussion with Randy without > much review, as such, my comments were reactive of what appeared to be > ivory tower perspectives on communicative technologies. > > With regard to your comments on building an isolated a VLE, I most > certainly have issue. My platform is one of realistic constructivism. > By using independent e-learning modeling, you are divorcing students > from environments they will need to use effectively outside of a utopian > school environment. Faculty and integrative technology staff would be > better to teach students governance and responsibility in a public > venue, where students need to take responsibility for sorting value from > chaff. Otherwise students will not make a strong marriage between > "effective use" and "casual use" when confronted with it post-Moodle or > whatnot. > > Your points have not changed my opinion that old-school educators > continue to make information and it's exchange proprietary. This is > because many of them cannot fathom a classroom run and managed by their > own students using the "instruments" (not tools) of information > technology. If anything, the fact that you would segregate social > platforms proves this very point. As I said before Twitter, Facebook, > and the many growing real social networks are the place our students > need to be. They are the real schools of 21st Century learning and > since students are already gravitating to them become an easier venue to > set up. > > My next post will discuss the details on process you so poignantly > requested. > --- Edtech Archives, posting guidelines and other information are at: http://www.h-net.msu.edu/~edweb Please include your name, email address, and school or professional affiliation in each posting. To unsubscribe send the following command to: LISTSERV@H-NET.MSU.EDU SIGNOFF EDTECH